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You are Still a Mother: Experiencing Miscarriage

 Hello and welcome. You are listening to Dawn Stilwell and Soul Medicine. This past Sunday was Mother’s Day here in Canada, and there is a section of the population who are mothers without children. And what I mean by that is mothers who had early pregnancy loss or miscarriage. And this group of women have dates that are a little bit harder to get through than others. I’m one of them, and I just wanna bring some awareness to these women because often in society, we don’t know how to handle the topic of pregnancy loss and miscarriage. And also, we expect that these women are just gonna get over it and go on, and that’s not always the case.

We who have experienced a miscarriage, we carry grief, and to most of you, it may be invisible. And this grief doesn’t necessarily go away as the years go by. Miscarriage is often minimized. My one doctor said, “As many as 50% of pregnancies end in miscarriage.” And many of us have experienced this. In my case, I was on my third pregnancy, and I had the 16-week maternal serum screening, and the doctor called me in and said, “The results show that you possibly have a child with trisomy 18, which is incompatible with life.” And he, at that time, said, we can do an amniocentesis, find out for sure, at which point you’ll probably want to get an abortion.” Now, I am pro-choice I believe everybody has bodily autonomy, and if that is your choice, it should be allowed you. I was not in a position to do that. I could not see myself doing that.

I went home with that information, thinking it doesn’t matter to me if the baby has trisomy 18 or not, that this baby may potentially die. I think it is kinder for me to keep the baby in utero- And he passes there sooner than have a procedure where they basically have to take his life to take him from me. It was shortly after that, that I noticed one day that my hands and feet were swollen more than usual, and I thought that’s weird, ’cause I didn’t usually get that sort of symptom until later in pregnancy, at least from the two that I’d had already. And the doctor had ordered your 16 to 18-week scan. So my then husband and I went for that ultrasound scan, and we’re talking and, pointing at the baby, look at him and whatever, and the tech, she was good. She didn’t let on that there was anything wrong. But when I dropped my husband back off at work, one of his coworkers says, “Oh, it’s so exciting when you hear the baby’s heartbeat.” And I realized we hadn’t heard a heartbeat.

Now, in my mind, I’m hoping, “Oh, gosh, let that just be that the monitor was turned down, the speakers weren’t working,” something like that. But something… I had this little check inside that told me something might not be right.” And a few days later, the doctor called us in and told us that he suspected fetal demise, and told me what I should expect over the next few days, that your body’s going to try to deliver you of the baby and what to expect, the cramping and clotting and things like that. And he also wanted me to be checked out by the OBGYN, so I went from there to see the doctor in another building. And I’m, at that time, I’m like, I’m trying to absorb my baby’s dead, my baby’s dead. A baby that I very much wanted, a baby I very much loved already, and I was planning out his future. And I say his, I don’t know if that baby was a boy or a girl. But with the three children that I do have, I always seem to know what they were, so I had a feeling this was a boy. And I’m still trying to come to terms with this, and the OBGYN is basically parroting what the doctor had said, “this is gonna happen, and this is gonna happen.” I’m like whoa.” I said, “I’m still absorbing this, and you are all throwing this rather negative information at me, and it might be necessary, I need to sit with this. I’m still coming to terms with the fact that the child I carry is no more.” And he kind of- Took a couple steps back away from, his like rah, this has gotta happen and this is gonna get done,” and said, “Okay, today is Tuesday. I want you to come back on Monday. We’ll do another ultrasound, and if the ultrasound shows that the baby is in fact gone, I want you to go to the hospital because we’re gonna have to do a procedure called a D&E.”

Now, I know you’ve probably heard of a D&C, which is a dilatation and curettage, but a D&E is a dilatation and evacuation, which is what they do when you are further along, and at this point, I was halfway through the pregnancy. So I waited that time. I went to the hospital, had the ultrasound. The baby had no heartbeat, and then I spent the rest of the day in the labor and delivery ward basically having my body prepped to have the dilatation and evacuation. And when I went home that day, I was no longer pregnant. It was an emotionally traumatizing time, and in some ways it was a physically traumatizing time. I came home. I was sore. I was sad, and a few days later, it was three days later, my milk came in, so that just kinda added insult to injury. No one mentioned that at the hospital, that was going to happen. I felt unprepared for what I was going through, and I felt alone.

So I lost my baby on a Monday. It was December 10th, 2001, and the following Saturday was my husband’s Christmas party, and I got myself together, and we went, and you know what? I thought, ” it’ll take my mind off of it, and, hopefully we’ll have a good time.” I was emotionally a little bit lower than I normally would be that time of year, but I made an effort to have a good time. And between dinner and dessert, I went to the ladies room, and one of the wives of one of the other people from my husband’s work came in and she said, “I’m so sorry about your miscarriage, but you know what? I firmly believe that everything happens for a reason. Everything happens for a reason.” And I know she was just trying to express sympathy and to make a connection with me, but to say that your baby died for a specific reason, and not offer that reason, That’s hard to take. That’s kind of blasé, cliché, ’cause frankly it’s what was the reason then? Why did this happen? Why did the cosmos cause this to happen? ‘Cause God needed more angels in heaven? God needed my child in heaven instead of letting it stay with me?” There’s a whole road you can go down when somebody says something like that. And the reason that my child died is because he had a condition that was incompatible with life. Now, why did he have that condition? I don’t know. But it happened. And I like to think that because I chose not to pursue amniocentesis and an abortion, that he stayed with me, and he was cared for, and he was loved, and that’s all that he knew until the day he passed.

Now, some people will say it would’ve been so much harder if you were, like, in your third trimester,” or say things like, “You can have another one.” But sometimes you want to grab ’em by the collar and give ’em a smack across the head, because it’s not helpful. It’s not helpful. It doesn’t matter that it could’ve been worse. It was still really bad for me. And I’m grieving the dreams that I had for that child, not just the pregnancy. And because we don’t talk about this, because people don’t know what to say, because let’s face it, as a society, we are uncomfortable talking about death and grief, and in this case, We are grieving someone we’ve never physically met, and somehow that makes it less real for other people. But for we moms who lost our babies, these babies were real to us. We saw the evidence in how our bodies changed, and how we felt them fluttering inside of us, and the joy that we had knowing we were bringing forth another child into this world, a child that was loved and wanted. And we thought about how our family was going to expand and change, and how wonderful it was gonna be, and then it’s like that, the rug was pulled out from underneath you, and it’s gone.

And my husband at the time he grieved as well, but I don’t think he knew how to put things into words. I was grieving, and my mom came to stay with me. But I didn’t have any social bandwidth to spend with her. I spent days in bed just mourning. And we have, as we’re working through those emotions, we have guilt that comes out because what did I do wrong? Why did this happen? What did I do wrong? Especially if the baby passes and there was no medical reason found. Or we have anger. Anger because we loved and wanted this child, and it was taken away. And sometimes that anger is directed at God or Source or even at ourselves. And we lay the fault at the feet of our bodies and say if my body was better, I would have been able to carry that child.” So I’m not saying these are true, but there is a gamut of emotions that come after the loss of a little one. And then there’s shame. Shame that maybe you’re not woman enough to carry a child, and feeling betrayed by your body because it couldn’t carry the child, or even by the medical system because they didn’t know how to save your baby. So while we’re grieving, and we usually do it quietly because other people maybe don’t understand it, don’t know what to say, we need permission to talk about it, just like we would if we had lost a mom or a dad or a friend or a spouse or a sibling or a child that, had lived with us. We also need to not be rushed through our grief or dismissed ’cause, “Oh, you can have another one.” Technically, yes, I could have another one, and I did. But that wasn’t the point. I loved the child that I lost, and I would like to have had that baby acknowledged as real and as loved, even though other than my expanding waistline, there really was no other proof.

I was blessed, though, because about a month after I lost that baby, a nurse from the hospital called and said, “I’d really like to come and visit you.” And I said, “Sure.” And when she came, she handed me an envelope, and I opened the envelope, and it was a nice linen card that said the name of the hospital on it, and when I opened it up, there was a tiny handprint and a tiny footprint there. And I even tear up talking about it. And she told me that the chaplain at the hospital accompanied my baby’s remains down to the morgue, and she is the one who did the handprint and the footprint. And because she cared enough to do that, I have that keepsake. And the thing is, it can’t have been an easy thing for her to do, because when I asked my OBGYN after the fact, “Was my baby a boy or a girl?” He very… he was very uncomfortable, but he as much as said that the baby did not come out intact. So that tells me that the chaplain had a not intact baby to, to work with and still did this for me. So if you were the chaplain at that time, I’m very grateful to you for what you did for me, so I have that keepsake. But that’s all I have. I have a handprint and a footprint, a pregnancy test, and one ultrasound picture. That’s the only proof I have that baby existed.

And like many other women, that was not my only miscarriage. Less than a year later, I became pregnant again, and we were away on vacation, and I started spotting. I was about 12 weeks. And as that week played out, I miscarried at home two days after that, and four days after that, I ended up in the ER needing a D&C because I had not passed all the products of conception. That one was… I don’t know if it was easier, but I’d been through it before recently enough that a lot of the feelings felt familiar. So I just wanna give a shout-out to all the moms out there who’ve lost their little ones during pregnancy.

I know Mother’s Day is one of those tough days, just like due dates. Raise your hand if you signed up for some sort of baby photography or gift basket or something, and somebody called you the week after your baby would’ve been due, being overly cheerful and asking how things are going at home with the baby, and you have to tell them that you don’t have a baby. Your baby died. It makes them feel like crap, and you too, because you’re reminded again of what you no longer have, about the loss that you had incurred.

Back to Mother’s Day. It’s a tough day. I just wanna tell you that, if you don’t have other children, you’re still a mother. You’re still a mother. You had life inside of you, and you’re still a mother. And you’re not dramatic if you’re grieving, even 20 years after the fact. And maybe we’re still grieving because society doesn’t let us be open about that grief. But yeah, you are still a mom. And that’s a tender burden to carry, that grief over that little one. That’s a tender burden to carry all the days of your life.

I just want you to know that I understand, and you are seen. This is one of my longer podcasts, and I’m gonna leave it there for today. We’re gonna come back and talk about this in a future podcast, because I think there’s more to this, and people really need to understand how this affects women and how it’s not something we just get over. Would you get over your son or your daughter passing away? No. Just because we didn’t meet them, there’s still the fact that they lived within our bodies, and we felt them, and we loved them. And there’s a hole in our lives because they’re not here. So think on that maybe for a few minutes today. Thank you for tuning in. This is Dawn Stilwell, and you’ve been listening to “Soul Medicine.”

Holy Shift! Now Featuring 100% Less Damnation

 Hello and welcome to Dawnings. I’m your host, Dawn Stillwell, and I am so glad that you decided to take a listen to this podcast today. Today I wanna talk about my walk with God. Everybody has their own journey with or without God, and , we all have our path in this life. And I’m not here to tell anybody how to do it because I think we need to discover that for ourselves.

But I do wanna share a bit of my story and hopefully you might find some inspiration in it, or it might cause you to think, do some really critical thinking. I don’t think we do enough of that as a society. So, if I can spur you to do a little bit of that, it’s all good. As you might have read in my bio, I am an ordained minister.

I don’t have a church or anything like that, but being an ordained minister was a goal of mine from the time I gave my life to God when I was 29. And from that time, well, for the first 12 years of that, I was a zealot for God. I just wanted to soak up everything that I could learn about God.

I did daily devotions. I was active in church, whether it was doing Bible studies or being part of the worship team at church. And this happened from church to church. As I moved around, I was always noticed and the next thing you know, I’m doing music ministry in the church and, available to do other things.

Because I was in ministry I got to rub elbows with the leaders in the church and with traveling ministers and things like that. In my own life I had a pure devotion to God and wanted to live the type of life that was pleasing to God. That was my goal, to be pleasing to God, and I noticed that as I got to know these people that were leaders in the churches and whatever, they didn’t always live the kind of life that I was living and they would say one thing in the pulpit, but maybe live something different in their lives away from church or, they’d come across one way in the pulpit and then, turn around and negate what they had just spoken about just in talking to them. Or I saw them treat some people better than others. It was like there was a fair bit of hypocrisy and I didn’t like it. It’s like, isn’t everybody as serious about God as I am? And it turns out, no, they’re not, and that’s okay. Everybody’s got their own path. I’ve learned a lot since that time, but it was causing me grief.

Because I was trying to walk as uprightly as I could, and then I’m seeing these other people that are looked up to in leadership and they’re not, how come they get to be leaders if they’re not perfect? I guess that’s the word I’m looking for. Or at least striving to beperfect. So, you know, I was judging them, but the thing is, I didn’t understand how could you not be so in love with God that you’d want to do anything you could to be pleasing to Him. That was my thought process at the time, and I’m thinking maybe I have spent the last 12 years of my life, have I wasted it?

Like, am I not getting it? Why do I have to be so good when they don’t have to be good? How come? I feel like I’m trying to live up to a standard that I see other people who are leaders, are not aspiring to meet. So in my frustration, I cried out to God. I said, I wanna know the truth here, even if I have to relearn everything I’ve learned, even if I have to give it up and learn something new, I was willing to do that. I said, I just want the truth and God listens when you say stuff like that. So it wasn’t long after that that Conversations with God, book one found its way into my hands and I began reading that book

I had a lot of angry outbursts towards God while I was reading it, and it was because I was reading about a God that was nothing but unconditional love, and it was spelled out what unconditional love is. It wasn’t a case of God loves you unconditionally, but if you don’t choose him, well off to the hellfire you go. It wasn’t like that.

The God presented in this book was not a God that was angry, and I’d always struggled with that because in reading the Bible, we’ve got, we’ve got angry God in the Old Testament. He’s angry. He needs sacrifices and, he’s, you know, feeling all smitey and whatever over here.

And then you go into the New Testament where God is love, God is unconditional love and he’s so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son so he could reconcile mankind to himself and I could never make the Old Testament and the New Testament shake hands, it’s just like, God seems pretty moody here -’cause he’s ticked over here and he’s chill over here.

I’m a deep thinker and a questioner, so I did have issues with that. So anyways, back to the Conversations with God. I’m reading about a God that is just nothing but love and He gave us free will, and I mean, true free will, you can serve him or not. You can love him or not. He will still love you. And there is no damnation.

And my heart wanted to believe in this God ’cause I had a sense this this was the God that I had experienced the day I gave my life to God; this is the God that made sense to me ’cause I couldn’t understand why, how is the devil as powerful as God? Why is there this huge fight between good and evil?

I mean, if God made the devil, why didn’t he just, zap, you’re gone? You’re not pleasing me and, If we were born imperfect and full of sin, why didn’t God just wipe us out and start over again? Or how could anything on this earth not be the will of God? And if He didn’t like it, (like he’s God), if he didn’t like what was happening, why didn’t he stop it?

Well, Conversations with God, it addresses all of that in a way that makes sense. And I’m reading this and I’m like, I’m sorry, this is too good to be true. And then, the teachings I had, it’s like, you know the devil put this book out here. It must be and isn’t that funny? Because you hear something that’s too good to be true about God and you immediately attribute it to the devil trying to trip you up.

That’s kind of messed up thinking. But anyway…

I was scared to believe in the God of this book, even though it made the most sense to me, because obviously I didn’t wanna make a mistake. I mean, people fight wars or have fought wars over, which truth is right. We had the Crusades a few hundred years ago. We’ve got, Christian denomination pitted against Christian denominations and no, we have the one, we serve the one true God, no, we serve the one true God, no. You know, my theology is better than your theology kind of deal. And I was just like, how do you get it right? And I just decided, you know what? I have put so much time and effort into this and this book just blew it all out of the water. It was an answer to prayer and I just, I just said, I’m done.

I’m done. And I walked away from God

It wasn’t permanent, but it was for a few years and am I’m like, I can’t not serve a God. I can’t not have God in my life. So let’s go shopping for a new God, a new religion really. And I studied other religions. I studied Buddhism and I studied Wicca. And I actually kinda leaned into the Wiccan religion for a while.

You’re gonna say, oh, Wicca is, I mean, aren’t they witches? Some of them call themselves witches, but even though I leaned into it, it never felt right. It just didn’t feel right. Some of the teachings are good, you know – harm none. That’s good advice. . Anyway, I’m not gonna dwell there, but I had a whole library of books, on wicca and spells and things like that, and that wasn’t cutting it for me.

After I took that tangent, I came back to the Conversations with God books. And I got them on audiobook because I can listen to them all doing other things that don’t take my mind. And with that gap between my church going days and this point in my life, that had been about seven years, I was able to come back to Conversations with God and listen to it with an open heart.

And if you’ve not read these books or listened to these books, I do recommend them because I do think they hold a truth that we’re not getting sitting in our churches, that God is bigger than we gave Him credit for. That God is unconditional love, and I mean true unconditional love, not, unconditional ass long as you do what He wants you to do: His love is unconditional. It doesn’t matter what you’ve done or what you’re doing or who you’re doing. God loves you and He’s okay with you. We don’t have to please him. He gave us free will. We can do as we please and that’s a big thing because so many churches preach free will. God gave you free will, but he wants you to do this.

QWell, if he wanted me to do this, then why did he give me free will? Why didn’t he just make us all robots that that do his bidding and His will?

It made me into a much happier person and one that can be my authentic self because there is no condemnation for me. It doesn’t matter what I do. I’m not condemned and we are made in the image and likeness of God. And the Bible even says, you are gods.

And I want you to ponder that. If God created you out of love, in His likeness and image, so you’re like God, but smaller, He is limitless and you are limitless. We’re not taught this, and so we don’t believe it, but I believe we can all live a life without limits in joy and peace and in love.

That’s the God that I know, and this is going to be hard for some people to accept, and some of you are going to listen to this and say, I’m not never listening to her again, and that’s okay.

I’m going to touch on this in other podcasts, but basically I believe in a God who doesn’t condemn and there is no damnation for us no matter what you’ve done, no matter what you’re doing, whether you serve Him or whether you don’t. I believe we are all children of God, whether you believe it or not, and you’ve come from God and you will go back to God when your life here is done.

And if there’s nothing but love for you and acceptance for you, no matter who you are, that is a gift I think everyone should give themselves. God doesn’t have a problem with you and you shouldn’t have a problem with you. So go and live your life as big as you want, doing what you want and God’s not gonna hate you for it and he’s not gonna judge you for it. And that goes against so much of what you have possibly been taught in church.

But I also feel that…. Oh, this could be a really long podcast. If we got into that, just consider it. Just consider it. Pick up the book or the audio book and let it challenge you. You don’t have to take you pastor’s word for who God is and what He wants. That’s for you to discover on your own path. That is for you to find out for yourself.

Religion is a set of rules. Spirituality is your experience, and I am giving you permission to follow your own experience, to believe in your own experience. And if your experience is different than what Pastor said it should be, or what the Bible said it should be, you are gonna believe them and gaslight yourself? Or believe in your own experience.

Well, this has been a little disjointed today, but I’m gonna cut it off there for now and next week we will touch on this again. This is Dawn Stillwell. Wishing you a great day. Thanks for tuning in. Ciao for now, peeps!